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  • » Western medias : really free? by DrDemosphen
  •    Misinterpretations and lies of western media

    Last big events were obviously lied about so much that only a total copper-top wouldn't notice. Russo-Georgian War and now Libya, for instance. Don't you people get sick of bullsh*t forced down your throat? Don't you think that you deserve to see a TRUE picture, not pro-democratic bliss? I always thought that press should be professional. It' wasn't supposed to take sides, when it does, it becomes propaganda. As far as I am concerned, western press isn't free. It has an illusion of freedom, that's why it's most successful brainwashing machine in history. But anyone with IQ even slightly above average must notice the rotten smell of such info?... I did and almost puked on my TV. What happened with TRULY free press?... Please explain to poor Russian numb nut here...

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#1 2014-07-16 20:06:22

          Taiwan (ROC)    Archduke
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@PatrickDup
The Cold War started because Washington screamed "BRETTON WOODS", and Stalin just ignored them....so who's responsible depends on you.

@topic
Well I don't see any unbiased media over the world....not just the news, I mean music and movies besides others too. Media is an extension of culture and state. How do you keep it unbiased? I don't think fact listing helps unless you can list everything, which is lol2 difficult.

Anyway...the responsibility of us young people is to change, right? Liu Bang started out as a country magistrate. Han Xin started out as a kid who nearly got starved to death. Liu Bei started out as shoe weaver. Zhuge Liang started out as a farmer. The next decade is our play!

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#2 2012-07-15 15:50:02

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Somtimes RTE (Radio Telefis Eireann) can lean towards certain causes but its always against the government for some reason or other.Its weird considering that it is a semi-state company.

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#3 2011-06-21 20:30:48

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Anyone would concede that various western news services have bias, however, with the exception of FOX News, this bias does not reach the level of blatant falsehoods.

Here in Canada, one major news station is CTV, which shows very little bias, though it does have right wing leanings, in spite of this, they were providing near equal coverage of all three parties in recent elections, including full coverage of the agenda of each party and on the rise of the socialist NDP to the official opposition position.

Canada does not really have any issue with media bias.

Final point, in the west any bias is not based on politics but pandering to one part of the political spectrum

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#4 2011-06-06 21:13:28

          Australia    PatrickDup
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@DrDemosphen For example when the Kursk went down, at the time the Putin controlled media tried to play down the seriousness of the event and Putin himself did not let western submarine rescue teams fly into russia when these teams were on standby and waiting for russian permission to go to russia, and this was in order to try to give the russian navy time to work out a solution to the problem in order for Russia to save face and to protect russian 'Pride'. This resulted in all the 200+ sailors dying as far as I know. So you russians aren't perfect either phile. And as for the Western man being a mindless person sitting in front of the glow box, well what about communist era russia. Stalins NKVD killed possibly millions of russians and millions more other soviet ethnic groups people. Thats what an alfa-male strong man does to a country my friend. Also the great purge of the russian military of 1936 killed almost all of the russian armies officers from major upwards to general. About 10,00 at least. And thats what the russians did to themselves mate. You Russians also illegally occupied Poland, Belorussia, Lithuania, Romania, Hungary, Cjeckoslovakia and Bulgaria setting up puppet governments there and repressing democracy and those national groups for decades. You tried to do it to my beloved Greece as well. And you wrongfully held on to east germany and tried to breed out part of the german race through the utilization of mass rapings. Thankfully the germans have pulled through because as far as I Know alot of the german woman who were raped killed themselves or the bastard babies and have reunited since the Cold War. And the Cold War is another thing that you russians started.

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#5 2011-06-06 21:11:35

          Australia    PatrickDup
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@DrDemosphen I agree the media can be biased alot of the time but hay whos complaing about it? Not me. I can make my mind up myself. I think you'll just disagree with me big time. But if you want to see the truth then its out there and its easy to obtain. Like i know what your saying about the Georgians starting the South Ossetia conflict is true because before the Western media started reporting on the dissagreements between russia and georgia over the province right before the fighting started i saw russian news reporting that the georgians were shooting people and that the russians would take action if the georgians didn't stop but they didn't and the Russians invaded and thats when the western media started blaming russia. So if you have both sides of the story from two different networks then it is alot easier to find the truth. But nevertheless Russian media is just as bad and i have some examples too.

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#6 2011-05-26 18:08:10

          United Kingdom    depresser
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As long as humans write the news there will be some bias, it is unavoidable. The BBC is unbiased but is very, very pessimistic about everything, which some people confuse for bias.

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#7 2011-05-09 05:25:03

          Australia    PatrickDup
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For example when the Kursk went down, at the time the Putin controlled media tried to play down the seriousness of the event and Putin himself did not let western submarine rescue teams fly into russia when these teams were on standby and waiting for russian permission to go to russia, and this was in order to try to give the russian navy time to work out a solution to the problem in order for Russia to save face and to protect russian 'Pride'. This resulted in all the 200+ sailors dying as far as I know. So you russians aren't perfect either phile. And as for the Western man being a mindless person sitting in front of the glow box, well what about communist era russia. Stalins NKVD killed possibly millions of russians and millions more other soviet ethnic groups people. Thats what an alfa-male strong man does to a country my friend. Also the great purge of the russian military of 1936 killed almost all of the russian armies officers from major upwards to general. About 10,00 at least. And thats what the russians did to themselves mate. You Russians also illegally occupied Poland, Belorussia, Lithuania, Romania, Hungary, Cjeckoslovakia and Bulgaria setting up puppet governments there and repressing democracy and those national groups for decades. You tried to do it to my beloved Greece as well. And you wrongfully held on to east germany and tried to breed out part of the german race through the utilization of mass rapings. Thankfully the germans have pulled through because as far as I Know alot of the german woman who were raped killed themselves or the bastard babies and have reunited since the Cold War. And the Cold War is another thing that you russians started.

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#8 2011-05-09 04:04:56

          Australia    PatrickDup
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I agree the media can be biased alot of the time but hay whos complaing about it? Not me. I can make my mind up myself. I think you'll just disagree with me big time. But if you want to see the truth then its out there and its easy to obtain. Like i know what your saying about the Georgians starting the South Ossetia conflict is true because before the Western media started reporting on the dissagreements between russia and georgia over the province right before the fighting started i saw russian news reporting that the georgians were shooting people and that the russians would take action if the georgians didn't stop but they didn't and the Russians invaded and thats when the western media started blaming russia. So if you have both sides of the story from two different networks then it is alot easier to find the truth. But nevertheless Russian media is just as bad and i have some examples too.

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#9 2011-05-09 00:07:16

          Russia    DrDemosphen
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@Snow_Dog My point is that the seem too agree when they are required to do so. During propaganda compaign for invasion of Iraq, during destruction of Yugoslavia, when Georgia was making trouble... But they disagree about things that don't matter to the world. Like america's healthcare system or some senators dirty underwear...

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#10 2011-05-06 15:47:16

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@DrDemosphen You know, the BBC is highly unbiased in comparison to news networks like Fox and MSNBC in America. I'd trust the BBC, PBS, or NPR before I'd trust any other network.

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#11 2011-05-06 15:45:33

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Depending on what side your on, it doesn't matter if it is unbiased, it looks biased to you. People who watch Fox News and think it is fact and truthful, look at NPR and think it is a flaming leafiest liberal corporation bent on controlling us, even though it really isn't.

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#12 2011-05-01 01:37:41

          Russia    DrDemosphen
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@depresser Of course no! I listen to both, choose the middle and apply common sense. That's the only way to get close to truth. And don't use "quickpost" in your mail box. It sends me a private message, doesn't post on a debate.

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#13 2011-04-30 04:30:36

          Russia    DrDemosphen
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@depresser BBC??? British Brainwashing Corporation??? That's the station that screamed that evil Russia attacked "beautiful little democracy" and refuses to admit that it was wrong??? Yeah, right.

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#14 2011-04-29 21:38:01

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well, the only neutral media are ones such as bbc, the rest are useless

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#15 2011-04-21 17:21:49

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  know how things work. But some dick in front of "glow box" in his stripes and stars underwear can only come to conclusion that is being hand fed to him through the TV. And thinking that people like that have their hands on so many nukes is just unnerving. 

 

The nukes are an American trump card. The ultimate problem solving device. I guess the proof is in the Japanese pudding.

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#16 2011-04-21 10:09:41

          Russia    DrDemosphen
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@Reyo There's no such thing as free media anywhere. The only thing I take from media is a pure fact. Like "there's shit going down in Libya". Then I look for signs of people's struggle. Like if it's really supported by the whole nation there will be mass desertion from army and police, rebelion won't be in some particular place, but either spreading or chaotically appearing here or there etc. There's none of it in Libya. Thus I come to the conclusion your media is full-o-schit on this matter. But I can only say it because of long and patient self-education. I know how things work. But some dick in front of "glow box" in his stripes and stars underwear can only come to conclusion that is being hand fed to him through the TV. And thinking that people like that have their hands on so many nukes is just unnerving.

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#17 2011-04-20 17:45:05

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@DrDemosphen How do you know your media is free? Western media isnt supposed to be neutral.

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#18 2011-04-20 03:12:23

          Russia    DrDemosphen
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@valdo As for 08.08.08 war, it was prtrayed as big evil Russia picking on beautiful little democracy, as if it sent all 30 000 000 of reserves in there, was killing every civilian they could find etc. Even though EU commission blamed almost everything on Georgians, including starting this conflict, violating internationally recognized agreements, killing peacekeepers with international mandate etc. If Serbia would take backk Kosovo (which I think they should) and kill your soldiers along the way, whaat would american reaction be?

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#19 2011-04-20 02:54:07

          Russia    DrDemosphen
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@fra2591 No one is perfect. Democratic leaders can be dicks too. Look at Bush. And remember what Jessy Ventura said about american politics. They are as fake as World Wrestling Entertainment. An illusion of difference and nothing else.

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#20 2011-04-19 11:12:34

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@DrDemosphen well I can't disagree on that but the strong man HAS to be a good leader, and sometimes he isn't. And because power is often tkane by force, its very hard to remove these bad leaders. Democracy prevents that.

Maybe that for you, the ideal democracy would be a system where people elect their maires, for their towns, and their president. No parlement, no assembly, and the president has full power, with his team, for 10 years.

I guess this system could work too.

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