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  • » Did Jesus exist? by irishgenius
  •    For some reason say that jesus never existed and yet there is historical evidence he did

    Im not a religious nut like the Ku Klux Klan but im christian who is open minded

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#1 2013-12-05 10:29:34

          Ireland    irishgenius
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@Flare 

I have changed a bit since I but up this debate.I am now a Agnostic and a Socialist omg .But, I do think that Jesus was a real person. Two Historians, one Roman, one Jewish, both confirm his existence.Tacitus, the Roman historian, gives it some reference in his last book http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ
Josepheus,the Jewish hisorian, goes into much greater detail and challenges the tradional veiw of his story
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus


Also, I think atheists think to know stuff they wouldn't know anyway.As Richard Dawkins said, There is no way to disprove the existence of God.So why say he doesn't.Its just an assumption, and your probably right too. champ

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#2 2013-12-05 02:54:57

          United States    Flare
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No, he did not. I say that with pure confidence.

Much more than half of Christians and Catholics have not even bothered to read even one hundred pages of the Bible. Chances are you're one of the ones who haven't, in which case, you have absolutely no right to believe that he did exist. If you were to read far enough into it, you would see countless contradictions. The Bible doesn't add up, which is more than enough evidence to say that God is nonexistent. It is the only so-called evidence of him, and if even that doesn't prove a thing, what are you basing your religion off of? I might as well worship Spider-Man. He has multiple books (just like willemenop was saying the Bible does,) and no contradictions.

If you were born in a country that heavily supported a religion other than your own, you would believe that right now. Religion is a poison, it's ruining the world. It has resulted in countless deaths, wars, hat-crimes, etc, that are completely unnecessary. You blindly follow "the word of God" because from a young age you were told to do so.

Think about it.

He's a magic man. Literally. You never believed magic existed, so why make an exception for a God?

Also, the Bible and the writings it contains had to of been written hundreds of years after Jesus' death, in which case, the writers had no solid information and were not around when he supposedly was.

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#3 2012-12-15 22:06:48

          Netherlands    willemenop
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I am quite sure sure jesus existed, because the starting of the "counting of the years" wich, atleast what most people said, started by jesus.
And the bible isn't one book aswell, it is the books of the ones who where close to jesus, but then molten into one big book.
So I think he did existed.
Altough, it's your choice to believe if he actually did the stuff that the bible sais he did.
I personally find it quite hard to belive that a guy was made without sperm, or sperm from a god, and i think jesus was a "cheating baby", wich means the dad wasn't god, but that was too ashaming to tell people.
And that whole water too wine, walking on water andreincarnation theory seems quite fake to me, personally

BACKGROUND INFO
i'm an atheist, and i'm certainly not believing in reincarnation

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#4 2012-12-11 04:59:09

          United States    calibur
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@lisajackusd 

So, you come here, copy random statements, and post links to well known MMO's.
Why?

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#5 2012-12-11 03:23:55

          Germany    lisajackusd
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I found this video and thought you might find it interesting (skip to 2:30 for the part relevant to this debate, though the first couple minutes is worth watching anyways)


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#6 2012-05-14 22:31:46

          Canada    SgtPeppers
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@Falkreath 

I personally accept them, because all they prove is that a man named Jesus lived at one point and was executed. That is not really a contentious point, because it proves nothing, whether or not it is true. There is no corroboration of any miracles and even if their was, that would not prove he was a deity. I prefer to discuss the ludicrous claims about the guy rather than arguing about his existence.

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#7 2012-05-14 16:41:34

          Hungary    Falkreath
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Now I strongly believe that there is no historical evidence for a man named "Jesus" in history. Other than the Bible, there is only a few roman records on what happened in 33 A.D. Such the works of Josephus and Tactitus. Now both of these seem to me as highly suspicious as the works of Josephus has been recently proven to have the bits about Jesus in it added. The other records, such as the Greek sources like Tactitus and other Syrian sources do speak of some sort of leader who was worshipped instead of the Roman Emperor, be we have  yet to find one undisputed source that accurately calls a name Jesus or Christ (Chrestus was a Jewish religious leader), such as some diaries or records of exactly who Pontius Pilate killed and in what fashion.

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#8 2012-05-11 03:19:26

          Canada    SgtPeppers
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@Dremord 

Actually most of the gospels were written in Greek, not Hebrew and all by different authors, so I don't think 1 guy is likely and a couple of the authors were certainly not Jewish.

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#9 2012-05-08 00:52:59

          United States    Dremord
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I'm an atheist, but who knows... maybe the man who wrote the Jesus story was writen by a jew named Jesus xD

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#10 2011-12-14 23:35:23

          Sweden    Kronblom
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@SgtPeppers 

I already knew most of this, there is one mistake though his name
is not Baldur it is Balder god of poetry among other things, he was
killed by the blind god Höder with an arrow made of mistletoe and guess who was behind that? Oh yes Loke. In most countries the
name of the holiday has something to do with Jesus not here
we simply call it Jul, it is a very old word.

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#11 2011-12-14 23:02:34

          Canada    SgtPeppers
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@Kronblom 

I found this video and thought you might find it interesting (skip to 2:30 for the part relevant to this debate, though the first couple minutes is worth watching anyways)


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#12 2011-12-11 05:54:44

          Canada    SgtPeppers
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@Kronblom 

I doubt any person who would claim stupidity has boundaries, especially if they have watch a video by a young earth creationist (Richard Dawkins has a brilliant analogy, he says that believing the earth is less than 10000 years old is like believing the width of north America is about 8 meters).

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#13 2011-12-11 05:47:57

          Sweden    Kronblom
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@SgtPeppers 

I have to disagree on that I understand what it says, I have never
said that it is the truth. Someone here mentioned Tacitus who were
born 808 A.u.c so when he was an adult nearly a century had passed
since said events, if here was very lucky he might had meet someone whom had spoken to someone whom had heard of these events, we are talking about a preindustrial society with no printing
press no telegraph and reading and writing were not skills that many
possessed. Furthermore this event took place in a country that not
even belonged to the empire at the time. If the Roman man on the
street have even heard about this which is doubtful he would dismiss
it as just another snakecult with somewhat annoying followers.
Take modern society who has access to education and internet, there are millions that believe in creationism, astrology, that the
world will end next year, why? Because some calender created
by some ancient people say so. And of course my favorite: Ohh yes
the planet are less than 10 000 years old! Stupidity knows no
boundaries.

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#14 2011-12-10 20:20:44

          Canada    SgtPeppers
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@Kronblom 

"As I said before why would a Roman have cared? The Romans were actually very tolerant about various religions as long as it did not threatened the empire. I so enjoy using the bible against the believers"

That is exactly why there is a word for a christian who has read the bible and understand what it actually says, the word is "Atheist"

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#15 2011-12-10 19:10:59

          Canada    SgtPeppers
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@Kronblom 

Actually, the census is a fatal error on the part of the writers, because they mentioned an event we can actually corroborate, turns out Augustus never ordered a census. A few other contradictions, One gospel lists 40+ ancestors of Jesus' father between him and king David, another list about 20 ancestors, within the same time frame between David and Joseph with almost no names common between the lists, that is a flat out contradiction. Also, because of the prophesy that the messiah must be born in Bethlehem, they told different stories and reasons for being there, one has Joseph having to return to the city of his ancestor David, which give the number intermediaries makes no sense. They ask call him Jesus of Nazareth, why call him by the city he was not born in. Also, the bible blames the Jews, not the Romans, which makes even less sense, given a roman was supposed to have ordered his death.

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#16 2011-12-10 18:57:53

          Sweden    Kronblom
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I personally am an atheist and quite hostile to religion in general and
the sandpeoples varieties in particular. I think Jebus was a mix off
2-3 people. Why would Augustus demand a tax census regarding Judea
which was a vassalstate at the time? Why would the Romans execute
him. like they cared

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#17 2011-10-09 10:00:42

          Ireland    irishgenius
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Ill go get them

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#18 2011-10-08 22:12:29

          Canada    SgtPeppers
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@irishgenius 

what does kk handshake mean

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#19 2011-10-07 10:21:52

          Ireland    irishgenius
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kk hand

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#20 2011-10-06 19:46:31

          Canada    SgtPeppers
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@irishgenius 

Could you please present:

The names of said historians and

links to sites regarding their work that are objective and have no motive to lie about evidence of christ


If you do this then I can actually respond

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