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  •    The Iranian goverment said it would destroy Israel. Do you think that the Israelis will at

    Shimon Peres recently said that it was more and more probable.

    quotemark1 Israeli President Shimon Peres warned on Sunday that an attack on Iran is becoming increasingly likely, days before a report by the UN's nuclear watchdog on Iran's nuclear programme.

    "The possibility of a military attack against Iran is now closer to being applied than the application of a diplomatic option," Peres told the Israel Hayom daily.

    "We must stay calm and resist pressure so that we can consider every alternative," he added.

    "I don't think that any decision has already been made, but there is an impression that Iran is getting closer to nuclear weapons."

    His comments came after he warned in an interview aired by Israel's privately-owned Channel Two television on Saturday, that an attack on Iran was becoming "more and more likely."

    "The intelligence services of the different countries that are keeping an eye on (Iran) are worried and putting pressure on their leaders to warn that Iran is ready to obtain the nuclear weapon," he said.

    In recent days, speculation in Israel has grown about the possibility of an pre-emptive strike against Iranian nuclear facilities.

    On Wednesday, the Haaretz newspaper reported that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defence Minister Ehud Barak were seeking cabinet support for an attack.

    And the military last week carried out what Israeli media called a "ballistic missile" test, as well as a large-scale civil defence drill simulating the response to conventional and non-conventional missile attacks.

    Officials said both events were long-planned, but they drove talk here about whether Israel is ramping up plans for an attack.

    On Sunday, Haaretz reported that US officials had failed to secure a commitment from Israel that it would coordinate any attack plans with Washington.

    Citing unnamed US officials, Haaretz said US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta had used a recent visit to Israel to make clear Washington did not want to be surprised by any Israeli attack, but received only a vague response from Netanyahu and Barak.

    Still, media reports suggested no final decision has been taken and that a report by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) nuclear watchdog on November 8 or 9 would have a "decisive effect" on decision-making.

    Previous IAEA assessments have centred on Iran's efforts to produce fissile material -- uranium and plutonium -- that can be used for power generation and other peaceful uses, but also for the core of a nuclear warhead.

    However the new update, which diplomats say will be circulated among envoys on Tuesday or Wednesday, will focus on Iran's alleged efforts to put the fissile material in a warhead and develop missiles to carry them to a target.

    On Monday, Barak denied reports that he and Netanyahu had already decided to attack Iran over the opposition of military and intelligence chiefs.

    But he said "situations could arise in the Middle East under which Israel must defend its vital interests independently, without having to rely on regional or other forces."

    Haaretz said a majority of the 15 members of Israel's security cabinet were still against an attack on Iran, and a poll published by the newspaper found Israeli public opinion divided, with 41 percent in favour, 39 percent opposed and 20 percent undecided.

    Israel has consistently warned all options remain on the table when it comes to Iran's nuclear programme, which the Jewish state and Western governments fear masks a drive for nuclear weapons.

    Iran denies any such ambition and insists its nuclear programme is for power generation and medical purposes only.

    In comments published on Sunday, Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi accused the IAEA of "political" behaviour and said its report would be "baseless."

    "I believe that these documents lack authenticity. But if they insist, they should go ahead and publish. Better to face danger once than be always in danger," several Iranian dailies quoted Salehi as saying.

    "We have said repeatedly that their documents are baseless. For example one can counterfeit money, but it remains counterfeit. These documents are like that," Salehi said. quotemark2

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    Best answer by : United Kingdom dave87 

    Israel will easily subdue Iran, the Israeli military has shown how competent it is, their Air Force is amongst the best trained and equipped in the world and will have control of the skies in no time. Also the USA didn't defeat Iraq's army in one day! However the USA and the UK did! I believe Israel will also have the support of the USA and UK if conflict did occur, whether they are the aggressors or not. Israel is capable of defeating Iran with one hand behind its back and nobody in the west will complain as Iran is viewed as a dangerous and unstable country

#1 2017-11-04 20:40:00

          Netherlands    Ryan
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It's a cultural thing.
If an Iranian president tells he is going to destroy Israel, that is simply preaching for his own flock.
Americans have also bad habits. Loud mouth is typical for Trump for instance. At least nobody I know in my country is taking that guy serious.

Iran isn't a thread at all. Israel may have a strong fighting force, but they will not be that stupid to attack Iran.
Iran used to be pro USA, and still is today.

What I don't understand, is why the USA is picking on Iran.
Nuclear capability? Pot kettle Black.

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#2 2013-01-23 22:22:05

          Israel    BaldwinIV
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@NikoLStak 
                       
I meant to the immediate sanctions that Israel will suffer from in-case it will act without coordinating the operation with NATO forces, in which case the worldly reactions may very, from supporting in case of a total success to blaming israel for another years long deadly adventure in the middle east . I think total success would be - an annihilation of most Nuclear facilities and large number of missile batteries as well as gaining Air superiority, a success that big is nearly impossible because for a country as small as israel every lose of a plane or even a very few casualties which is insepertable from war is considered a controversial action of the goverment. Iran's reaction would determine that in case of an attack.
I must also refer to the general elections recently conducted in Israel which pointed out a Decrease in Benjamin Netanyaho power and control in the goverment and a reasonable coalition with "yesh atid" lead by Yair lapid and which will result a goverment less aggressive about foreign policy and more into internal issues in Israel and perhaps the palestinian problem.
I think there will be no attack in Iran, and if there will be the results will be horrific.

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#3 2013-01-22 17:41:16

          Russia    NikoLStak
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@BaldwinIV 

Why would Israel face sanction for invading Iran? Half the UNSC would applause it and oppose all kind of sanction proposed by Russia and China. But as I proved somewhere this is likely to become a decade-long war, if of course it happen.

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#4 2013-01-21 23:04:09

          Israel    BaldwinIV
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Everybody's refering to the numbers of soldiers/tanks/technology, and it's quite odd because the nations are thousends of miles apart and the question was, whether Israel make the decision to attack? will Israel succeed?(probably yes) and how will it face the economic/political/security sanctions that will certainly be very harsh. with the current PM obsessed about Iran it will most likely to happen, leaving the citizens of both countries to face the war and death who are expected to follow. to whoever is thinking about the nuclear facility in Iraq in 1982 can forget about it, cause this time, israel will not get out with it so easily.

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#5 2012-11-08 20:12:33

          Russia    NikoLStak
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@SgtPeppers 

I said the reverse? Well now after some reflexion, I do. Iran could win, a war's issue is not predeterminable. But according to facts, Israel is stronger than Iran and more favorable to win.

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#6 2012-11-07 23:18:12

          Canada    SgtPeppers
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@NikoLStak 

Serious resistance is not the same as the ability to win, it only means doing so creates a higher body count.

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#7 2012-11-07 22:35:51

          Russia    NikoLStak
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@SgtPeppers 

I aborde the high tech millitary question.
''Israeli abillity to maintain a such high tech and well trained army is due to outer help. It would be fair to include the outer support to Iran too''

The question is not if Iran is weaker than Israel, the answer is definetly yes, but if it could oppose serious resistence and the answer is also yes. Israel millitary overestimated? Yes too. The video ''top ten armies'' on Youtube almost all put Israel and not Canada or Spain in it's top 10, this is ridiculous.
This is only an exemple but it's the average thinking of most people. They all think Israel got powerfull army while Canada would fall in one day against USA.

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#8 2012-11-07 18:26:47

          Canada    SgtPeppers
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@NikoLStak 

Numbers don't matter so much as quality... Those Israeli tanks, planes and solders are using top notch US technology and training with a professional and coordinated mandate... much of Iran's forces are using Soviet era weaponry, not much use against stealth fighters and smart bombs

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#9 2012-11-06 02:58:48

          Russia    NikoLStak
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''Israel will easily subdue Iran, the Israeli military has shown how competent it is''

Talking about this. Israeli power is far too much overestimated. It could beat everybody in Middle East but it would absolutely not be less than a many years war. The Israeli Millitary budget is as high as the Turkish or UAE ones(subject of debate, my source is not fiable).
Iran and Israel got almost the same amount of combat planes
300 for Iran, 370 for Israel.
Israel got 2 times more tanks than Iran. Having half is more than enough to oppose serious resistence when on defencive.
Max military reservist for Iran : Around 15M. For Israel : 1.5M

Israeli abillity to maintain a such high tech and well trained army is due to outer help. It would be fair to include support to Iran too so, the let's say 5M new Iranian soldiers could be armed by Chinese and Russian weapon and cheap AA and Artillery.

Beating Iran a hand in it's back? I don't think so. It would be a tough fight for Israel.

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#10 2012-11-04 22:37:32

          United States    calibur
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@NikoLStak 

I'm sure everyone else has seen it, but it just strikes me as great irony everytime that mutually assured destruction is abbreviated 'MAD'. Indeed, perhaps that was on purpose.
Indeed, such a war is unlikely. The wars of our time are not full scale for just that reason, but with terrorists, extremists. Backdoor war if will.

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#11 2012-11-04 13:51:16

          Russia    NikoLStak
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@IVort 

Well said. I don't think anyone believe into Iran-Israel war. It is a MAD because of nukes, and because of the superpowers behind both of them.

Answering to Sgt Pepper, I think Ahmadinejad got almost the same idea than Castro on this question. He would have nuked USA with the Soviet missiles in case of invasion, and knew that would mean the complete destrction of it's country. But Iran is not irrationnal enough to attack first. If Iran declare war, it will be because of a Israeli illegal airstrike on Iranian complexes, declaration which would be fully justified.

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#12 2012-11-04 13:36:09

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It looks like the Israel-Iran war is not going to occur. Rhetorical speeches of these countries' leaderships are rather aimed at their own citizens to create the outer enemy and distract them from some issues of internal policy. Observing diplomatical disputes and reactions on provocations it is seen that there is no country interested in this war. Even the american fleet moving to the strait of Hormuz could not force Iran to strike. It is more liked that there will be a "peacefull solution" or cold war.

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#13 2012-10-31 22:35:43

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@maps12 

The problem is that Iran, unlike every other state that has or could easily attain nuclear capacities is not afraid of mutually assured destruction. The entire leadership in Iran is of the opinion that Israel's destruction takes precedence over all else and they would likely be more than willing to sustain the casualties of a nuclear exchange to subdue Israel. They also support terrorist organizations and could supply them with nuclear weapons to launch attacks without sustaining retaliation.

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#14 2012-10-31 00:07:11

          Russia    NikoLStak
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@Irish Boy12 

They don't fear the Israeli-Nato alliance. Iran devellop the way it want and it's respectable. Unlike Israel, they signed the Nuke non-proliferation treaty.
Isreal having nukes and Iran being prohibited from develloping some is as stupid has Kennedy's justification for almost blowing the world during Cuba missiles crisis. ''We can set nukes in Turkey but you can't set nukes in Cuba''.
Or maybe he say the truth and only devellop power plants but.. nobody believe this. The Israeli treat, according to Ahmadinejad, is too much important.

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#15 2012-10-30 01:10:19

          United States    calibur
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@maps12 

Just in case, though, wouldn't it be better to not let them have nukes in the first place?

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#16 2012-10-29 23:06:11

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Israel should not attack, it would be a grave mistake.  Why not just let Iran get Nukes, Israel has way more.  Plus if they do try to blow up the world then we can hack them before they do.

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#17 2012-10-29 18:56:04

          Ireland    Irish Boy12
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Its REasonable to allow Isreal to build Nuclar Divices, while Iran, Iraq should not cause they are possiable to use them to blow up the world. If Iran puts treats to Isreal then they may attack but the wrld at war over this not so simple. If Iran would think about what they ae doing they woud not do this, basicly if mess with Isreal your gonna mess with the whole world.

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#18 2012-07-10 02:30:08

          Israel    thomaaas
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@mn03k 

If Israel attacks Iran it will be a massive bombing, so no Israeli troop will ever have to penetrate Iran. As for Libanon, it's very hard for any army even US army to invade a country with gerilla warfare. You can't just kill everyone, and you loose a lot of troops. Tsahal is the best army in the middle east and by far, no doubt about that. We don't even need US help.

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#19 2012-07-10 01:25:37

          Tunisia    mn03k
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@thomaaas

1st of all , I think it's a bit hypocrite to let Israel build nuclear weapons and to forbid Iran ! Iran won't use it to start a nuclear war , But to make a geopolitical balance in the middle east ! Israel will have a more serious enemy in the region like the USSR was to the USA ( both had nuclear artillery and none of them used it)

2nd of all , You are overrating the Israeli army , we all saw how they weren't able to penetrate lebanon on 2006 ! and it's only lebanon , they don't even have an army , it was just Hizbollah !!
It's only obvious that the israeli would struggle to win a war ! and definitely unable to without the help of the United states. Wich is a pity to always have the backup of the states to do their dirty job !

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#20 2012-07-09 22:29:05

          Israel    thomaaas
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@Dremord 
                       
Well, if Israel attacks in 2012, or 2013, it would be a very fast operation, basically it would be a massive bombing of all nuclear facilities, maybe with the help of America. Then nothing. Then, the only thing iran can do is block the Ormuz detroit, which would result in USA taking control of it by force. China doesn't have any army or navy in the region and so can't do anything. So I really don't see what they can do.

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